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SIR JOHN SUCKLING'S SONG!
Posted by: Taylorashtyn (---.sip.bct.bellsouth.net)
Date: November 03, 2021 08:23PM

If someone could please explain the poem to me so I can create a 10 minutes presention on it i would be grateful.

Sir John Suckling's "song" why so pale fond lover, prithee why so pale....

Re: SIR JOHN SUCKLING'S SONG!
Posted by: lg (---.ca.charter.com)
Date: November 04, 2021 11:24AM

Taylor, he's saying that if your lover doesn't return your love, find another.


Why So Pale and Wan, Fond Lover
Sir John Suckling - (1609-1642)

Why so pale and wan, fond lover?
Prithee, why so pale?
Will, when looking well can't move her,
Looking ill prevail?
Prithe, why so pale?

Why so dull and mute, young sinner?
Prithee, why so mute?
Will, when speaking well can't win her,
Saying nothing do 't?
Prithee, why so mute?

Quit, quit, for shame! this will not move,
This cannot take her;
If of herself she will not love,
Nothing can make her:
The Devil take her!

Les

Re: SIR JOHN SUCKLING'S SONG!
Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-02rh15-16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)
Date: November 04, 2021 03:14PM

If I had to do 10 minutes, I would compare Suckling's to these other two:

The Lover's Resolution - George Wither (1588-1667)

Shall I, wasting in despair,
Die because a woman's fair?
Or make pale my cheeks with care
'Cause another's rosy are?
Be she fairer than the day,
Or the flow'ry meads in May,
If she think not well of me,
What care I how fair she be?

Shall my silly heart be pined
'Cause I see a woman kind?
Or a well disposèd nature
Joinèd with a lovely feature?
Be she meeker, kinder, than
Turtle-dove or pelican,
If she be not so to me,
What care I how kind she be?

Shall a woman's virtues move
Me to perish for her love?
Or her well-deservings known
Make me quite forget my own?
Be she with that goodness blest
Which may merit name of Best,
If she be not such to me,
What care I how good she be?

'Cause her fortune seems too high,
Shall I play the fool and die?
She that bears a noble mind,
If not outward helps she find,
Thinks what with them he would do
That without them dares her woo;
And unless that mind I see,
What care I how great she be?

Great, or good, or kind, or fair,
I will ne'er the more despair;
If she love me, this believe,
I will die ere she shall grieve;
If she slight me when I woo,
I can scorn and let her go;
For if she be not for me,
What care I for whom she be?


His Love Admits No Rival - Walter Ralegh (1552-1618)

Shall I, like a hermit, dwell
On a rock, or in a cell
Calling home the smallest part
That is missing of my heart,
To bestow it where I may
Meet a rival every day?
If she undervalue me,
What care I how fair she be?

Were her tresses angel gold,
If a stranger may be bold,
Unrebukèd, unafraid,
To convert them to a braid,
And with little more ado
Work them into bracelets too;
If the mine be grown so free
What care I how rich it be?



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