Help!! .. i need to make a speech on this poem, but the problem is, i cant identify the concept of imaginative journeys in this...
Help me plzzz

pls advise the exact assignment so us peeps can help u.

ok ... the exact assignment is to,

"address your understanding of Imaginative Journeys within the Area of Study showing how the composer(william blake) has conveyed his ideas in 'The Angel'. The talk will analyse the text in relation to Imaginative Journeys and discuss how William Blake has achieved his purpose."

If anyone got any ideas .. plz help .. thanks

Lim, go here:

[www.english.uga.edu]

Click on the picture and it will take you to links which explain the poem.


In terms of your assignment, think of his "Dream" in terms of flights of fantasy. When we are young we can dream and not fear reprisal for it, as we become older our dreams are dashed by the reality of the situation. Even a guardian angel cannot secure the daydreams of an old man.

Les

Thanks Les & everyone, u guys have been of great help

I think I see now. The terms Imaginative Journey and Area of Study are apparently buzz words in Australian schools.

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Like all lessons must now end with a plenary in the UK (don't know why)

I hope not everywhere, Hugh. Australia's a big country. Many different kinds of schools. But regrettably this sort of waffle-speak has been tolerated so long in university arts departments that there's now almost a second generation of schoolteachers infected with it. Same in the US perhaps?

Prolly so. The Imaginative Journey catch phrase could be localized to NSW if I interpret the (Port) Macquarie site being near Sydney. I don't know enough about Australia's internet providers to be sure where the original poster's Optusnet is based. From your ISP address, looks like you are near Melbourne, but I am just guessing.

Yes, Melbourne. Looks like you are posting from Denver, mostly. Regret I have only been near there once - at the airport changing planes on a flight from NY to LA. Was seated on the plane behind a basketball team called the Denver Nuggets, and couldn't help feeling rather small by comparison.

well, yr 12 of 2004, the area of studdie for english is journeys and you do either imaginative, inner or physical. The unlucky ones got imaginative, like me :p
Yeah it's NSW, for the higher school certifercate

i got imaginary journeys too it sucks i'm trying to do an assignment at the moment and its just not working :( but i have to say i'm glad i'm not doing that angel poem i so dont understand it

im doing imaginative journeys too and it sux! does anyone know any good supplementary texts? iv got an assignment due in a week or so

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You poor, poor people, 'imaginative journey' within Blake is not a buzzword, though it might be elsewhere, Blake is a poet of the mystical immagination, and the concept of the journey, inward or outward is an archetype of particular power. Read 'Dreaming with Open Eyes' by mike Tucker (though thats 20th C. art not Blake)

Univ. Brighton, huh? Apparently a school lacking courses in tact, diplomacy and spelling.

Be patient Hugh, its only been a Uni for 12 years, and is probably still in awe of Sussex Uni over the road which was founded in 1961.

I've got an assignment to be handed in in 3 weeks, on imaginative journeys.... any poets that i can use that relate to this area of study??? thanks if you can find or can't find anything...

hey im doin imaginative journeys too!! cummon...its not THAT bad..gotta be better than physical (i hear thats REALLY boring). try lookin at the poems "i heard a fly buzz" by emily dickinson, "Sailing to byzantium" by william buttler yeats or "thought fox" by ted hughes. i also used the song drops of jupiter by train.....good luck!

hi I need Some material of Willaim Blake Poem Mercy,pity,peace and love as an Allgoric poem kindly help me soon i have to submit my assignment within two days.i Shall be thankful to u

There is some information here:

[www.english.uga.edu]


Les

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* The Road Not Taken, by Robert Frost
* Journey to the Interior, by Margaret Atwood...

these 2 poems are in the Board of Studies Stimulus booklet forHSC 2004-2005.

another good poet for poems on imaginative journeys is Samuel Taylor Coleridge (STC).

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Maybe instead of poems, try songs. im in yr 12, doing imaginative journey...... im searchin through all my songs for one about imaginative journey.... got plenty about physical journey (Notorious BIG - Juicy)..... one i can think of is 2pac - Thugz Mansion.... this is where pac imagines about a wonderful place where all the thugs can go when they die.... he just hopes this place can exist.
at the moment im reading "The tempest" by shakespeare which is about an imaginative journey... its not bad actually... i would recommend it also for area of study
but yeh, have a go looking for a song.... i got all the way through yr 11 using eminem as related material to "Looking for Alibrandi" (did anyone else do that?) and i did alright
anyone else got any other ideas? any other books? poems? SONGS? post em!

SLIM

For an imaginative journey song, how about the Beatles' song (Lennon/McCartney) "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"?

Picture yourself in a boat on a river,
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies.
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly,
The girl with kaleidoscope eyes.

Cellophane flowers of yellow and green
Towering over your head.
Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,
And she's gone.

Lucy in the sky with diamonds . . .

Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain
Where rocking horse people eat marshmellow pies,
Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers,
That grow so incredibly high.

Newspaper taxis appear on the shore,
Waiting to take you away.
Climb in the back with your head in the clouds,
And you're gone.

Lucy in the sky with diamonds . . .

Picture yourself on a train in a station,
With plasticine porters with looking glass ties.
Suddenly someone is there at the turnstile,
The girl with kaleidoscope eyes.

Lucy in the sky with diamonds . . .

cool thanks for that.... i just feel that songs, particularly rap for some reason, really get through to me rather than poetry..... just when i hear guys like 2pac, eminem, nas etc. express and flow on the track, i really get what theyre saying, and i can relate that to my text.... but with poetry, its all about interpretation, and other crap.... songs are way better

Is there a modern day interpretation of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner available for me to read?

Googling brings tons of them, for example:

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i need help big time what are your concepts of the imaginative journeys i have this big assesment coming up and im not understanding the concept 100% what are your concepts???

Do a search on this page for Flat View. Click that and find responses above.

yeh, I did dat Lucy in the sky with diamonds 4 my speech on imaginative journeys and I went good. Cept our teacher reckons that song arnt that good to do for the HSC cos they're too hard to mark or something and there's not that many techniques you can write about. Visual texts on imaginative journeys are Lee Bul's work "forever". thats really good.

The song Wish You Were Here by Incubus is a good song for imaginative journeys.. It relates to Coleridge's This Lime Tree Bower My Prison as the composer is wanting somebody to share with him his imaginative journey i.e Charles in the poem..

my half yearlies are coming up soon and i still have no idea what texts to use for these any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. this whole imaginative journeys thing sucks!

hi, I am doing assignment on Physical journeys. need 3 texts. thought Bilbos poem in Lord of the Rings, but am having trouble finding short texts to use. i am in NSW. This is due next week!!!!! help

Dante's Inferno?

Tennyson's Ulysses?

Browning's Ghent to Aix?

I'm doing an assignment on Imaginative Journeys and i need to find six GOOD texts to use. I've thought of the poster from the movie 'Big Fish' and the movie 'Tuck Everlasting', does anyone know any other texts I could use, and if the texts i have mentioned are good??

Adelaide, I do not know if the texts you've chosen are good, but if you will click on flat view I think the discussion in the posts above yours might help you.

Les

hey guys! im doing imaginatiove journeys yr 12 too and i hate it!! does anyone have a good definition of 'journey' including the phisical and metaphorical?? i need one for my half yearly in 3 days!! arghh!!

Surely these definitions must be found in your textbook?

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help me plz!
my assesment is due 2moro and i have no idea wat the tempest by shakespere is about and how it relates to an imaginative journey,
any cheat sheets or web sites that offer explanations?
im sooooo dead!

Actually, it relates to a physical journey:

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Hey, i hav an assessment task due tomorrow. I am looking for a site where i can find images that i can use to represent imaginative journeys relevant to the area of study. Texts like songs and poems can also be used....any suggestions??

Aaron use the Google search engine. Just type in a song you know by title, and write "lyrics" next to it, then click search. Do the same for pictures/paintings. If you want photos of cows, type in "photos of cows".

Les

im doing an assignment on physical journeys and need help on a visual text, i have no idea what to do so any ideas would be appreciated so if u could help me please do

Kristy, this 'physical journey' topic has been covered before in Homework Assistance. Have a look at:

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Hi I'm searching for an emule user who's nickname is Larissa I don't know if you are Larrissa who I'm searching.
If you are This Larissa you will Know me, please try to meet me on emule forums because I think you are a good person to speak.
thanks

Hey guys! i'm new here so don't know how this works but i need help in defining the imaginative jouney coleridge takes in Frost at midnight and This lime tree bower my prison. PLEASE HELP!

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Linda, please don't bump inquiries such as this. As you can see both Fifi and myself have already posted new threads.

Les

Sorry, I'm half asleep and working from the bottom up. I thought it hadn't posted. I'll delete.

Fifi, 'imaginative journey' isn't a category with an accepted meaning in literary criticism. It's one put up by some Australian (maybe just NSW) education authorities to test students like you. So I suggest you start by defining what YOU mean by an imaginative journey. If you can take control of the definition, you might make your search task easier. For instance, do you mean the poet thinking about travelling physically from place to place? Or do you mean some kind of journey through the poet's imagination, like jumping from one idea to another?

Once you have defined your task, you will be better placed to examine the two poems. Regrettably, they are written in an old-fashioned style likely to put off many young people from poetry for life. But I guess you are nearing the end of your school years, so by now you should have read fairly widely, and things aren't meant to be always easy for you. 'Per ardua ad astra' as the Latin saying goes (very loosely translated as 'you have to be able to cope with difficulties in order to become a star')

Here are the poems (taken from the Classical Poet List link on this page, so not guaranteed free of errors):

Frost At Midnight

The Frost performs its secret ministry,
Unhelped by any wind. The owlet's cry
Came loud--and hark, again ! loud as before.
The inmates of my cottage, all at rest,
Have left me to that solitude, which suits
Abstruser musings : save that at my side
My cradled infant slumbers peacefully.
'Tis calm indeed ! so calm, that it disturbs
And vexes meditation with its strange
And extreme silentness. Sea, hill, and wood,
This populous village ! Sea, and hill, and wood,
With all the numberless goings-on of life,
Inaudible as dreams ! the thin blue flame
Lies on my low-burnt fire, and quivers not ;
Only that film, which fluttered on the grate,
Still flutters there, the sole unquiet thing.
Methinks, its motion in this hush of nature
Gives it dim sympathies with me who live,
Making it a companionable form,
Whose puny flaps and freaks the idling Spirit
By its own moods interprets, every where
Echo or mirror seeking of itself,
And makes a toy of Thought.

But O ! how oft,
How oft, at school, with most believing mind,
Presageful, have I gazed upon the bars,
To watch that fluttering stranger ! and as oft
With unclosed lids, already had I dreamt
Of my sweet birth-place, and the old church-tower,
Whose bells, the poor man's only music, rang
From morn to evening, all the hot Fair-day,
So sweetly, that they stirred and haunted me
With a wild pleasure, falling on mine ear
Most like articulate sounds of things to come !
So gazed I, till the soothing things, I dreamt,
Lulled me to sleep, and sleep prolonged my dreams !
And so I brooded all the following morn,
Awed by the stern preceptor's face, mine eye
Fixed with mock study on my swimming book :
Save if the door half opened, and I snatched
A hasty glance, and still my heart leaped up,
For still I hoped to see the stranger's face,
Townsman, or aunt, or sister more beloved,
My play-mate when we both were clothed alike !

Dear Babe, that sleepest cradled by my side,
Whose gentle breathings, heard in this deep calm,
Fill up the interspers�d vacancies
And momentary pauses of the thought !
My babe so beautiful ! it thrills my heart
With tender gladness, thus to look at thee,
And think that thou shalt learn far other lore,
And in far other scenes ! For I was reared
In the great city, pent 'mid cloisters dim,
And saw nought lovely but the sky and stars.
But thou, my babe ! shalt wander like a breeze
By lakes and sandy shores, beneath the crags
Of ancient mountain, and beneath the clouds,
Which image in their bulk both lakes and shores
And mountain crags : so shalt thou see and hear
The lovely shapes and sounds intelligible
Of that eternal language, which thy God
Utters, who from eternity doth teach
Himself in all, and all things in himself.
Great universal Teacher ! he shall mould
Thy spirit, and by giving make it ask.

Therefore all seasons shall be sweet to thee,
Whether the summer clothe the general earth
With greenness, or the redbreast sit and sing
Betwixt the tufts of snow on the bare branch
Of mossy apple-tree, while the nigh thatch
Smokes in the sun-thaw ; whether the eave-drops fall
Heard only in the trances of the blast,
Or if the secret ministry of frost
Shall hang them up in silent icicles,
Quietly shining to the quiet Moon.


This Lime-Tree Bower My Prison

Well, they are gone, and here must I remain,
This lime-tree bower my prison ! I have lost
Beauties and feelings, such as would have been
Most sweet to my remembrance even when age
Had dimm'd mine eyes to blindness ! They, meanwhile,
Friends, whom I never more may meet again,
On springy heath, along the hill-top edge,
Wander in gladness, and wind down, perchance,
To that still roaring dell, of which I told ;
The roaring dell, o'erwooded, narrow, deep,
And only speckled by the mid-day sun ;
Where its slim trunk the ash from rock to rock
Flings arching like a bridge ;--that branchless ash,
Unsunn'd and damp, whose few poor yellow leaves
Ne'er tremble in the gale, yet tremble still,
Fann'd by the water-fall ! and there my friends
Behold the dark green file of long lank weeds,
That all at once (a most fantastic sight !)
Still nod and drip beneath the dripping edge
Of the blue clay-stone.

Now, my friends emerge
Beneath the wide wide Heaven--and view again
The many-steepled tract magnificent
Of hilly fields and meadows, and the sea,
With some fair bark, perhaps, whose sails light up
The slip of smooth clear blue betwixt two Isles
Of purple shadow ! Yes ! they wander on
In gladness all ; but thou, methinks, most glad,
My gentle-hearted Charles ! for thou hast pined
And hunger'd after Nature, many a year,
In the great City pent, winning thy way
With sad yet patient soul, through evil and pain
And strange calamity ! Ah ! slowly sink
Behind the western ridge, thou glorious Sun !
Shine in the slant beams of the sinking orb,
Ye purple heath-flowers ! richlier burn, ye clouds !
Live in the yellow light, ye distant groves !
And kindle, thou blue Ocean ! So my friend
Struck with deep joy may stand, as I have stood,
Silent with swimming sense ; yea, gazing round
On the wide landscape, gaze till all doth seem
Less gross than bodily ; and of such hues
As veil the Almighty Spirit, when yet he makes
Spirits perceive his presence.

A delight
Comes sudden on my heart, and I am glad
As I myself were there ! Nor in this bower,
This little lime-tree bower, have I not mark'd
Much that has sooth'd me. Pale beneath the blaze
Hung the transparent foliage ; and I watch'd
Some broad and sunny leaf, and lov'd to see
The shadow of the leaf and stem above
Dappling its sunshine ! And that walnut-tree
Was richly ting'd, and a deep radiance lay
Full on the ancient ivy, which usurps
Those fronting elms, and now, with blackest mass
Makes their dark branches gleam a lighter hue
Through the late twilight : and though now the bat
Wheels silent by, and not a swallow twitters,
Yet still the solitary humble-bee
Sings in the bean-flower ! Henceforth I shall know
That Nature ne'er deserts the wise and pure ;
No plot so narrow, be but Nature there,
No waste so vacant, but may well employ
Each faculty of sense, and keep the heart
Awake to Love and Beauty ! and sometimes
'Tis well to be bereft of promis'd good,
That we may lift the soul, and contemplate
With lively joy the joys we cannot share.
My gentle-hearted Charles ! when the last rook
Beat its straight path across the dusky air
Homewards, I blest it ! deeming its black wing
(Now a dim speck, now vanishing in light)
Had cross'd the mighty Orb's dilated glory,
While thou stood'st gazing ; or, when all was still,
Flew creeking o'er thy head, and had a charm
For thee, my gentle-hearted Charles, to whom
No sound is dissonant which tells of Life.

Hey im just starting the hsc course and i would like to be ahead of my class so im researching on the Stimulus booklet material im just wondering if anyone has any good sites or info which would help me to analyse these poems as im not really good at this... I've noticed no-one is doing "Inner Journey" it would be a great help so... yea thanks a lot for taking the time 2 read it even if u cant help

This place seems like a really good site... the people on it seem to be smarter than yr 12...

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ummm i have an assesment due i n1 week and a half and i have looking for song lyrics about physical journey and i cna't seem to find one .. i would love it if u have any song lyrics related to my area study.. thanx heaps...

Mae, have a look through these threads:

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I have an assessment to do on the 'Imaginative Journey' and we are required to choose one of our own texts to analyse. I was wondering what you guys think of the feature film 'A Beautiful Mind', with Russell Crowe?Thanks for your time.

Rach, a couple of points:

1. You should ask this on a new thread called: "A Beautiful Mind"

2. I do not believe the "imaginative journey" in the film warrants consideration for this assignment.


Les

hey guys
how are you all?
i was just searching for related texts for physical journeys... i desperately need help. can anyone reccomend anything? i am currently starting yr12 now, but need them for an assessment task.
if you guys could help, it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks,
kate

ps you can email me at kathryn726@gmail.com or add me to msn kathryn726@hotmail.com

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gday guys. i got an assessment due next week on the area of study Imaginative journeys and we're supposed to relate 3 different texts to shakespeares the tempest. so far i got shrek 2, the novel the wizard of oz, but i need a third text that isnt a movie or a book. can any1 think of anything? like maybe a song or a poem or a visual thingo or something? and what do u think of my related materials so far. any tips or extra info on the texts or possible texts would be greatly appreciated!

I'm not entirely sure your first two choices are similar to The Tempest:

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But, if you are only looking for another 'quest' type story,

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Here's one you may be familiar with:

Gilligan's Island Theme

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
a tale of a fateful trip.
That started from this tropic port,
aboard this tiny ship.
The mate was a mighty sailin' man,
the skipper brave and sure.
Five passengers set sail that day,
for a three hour tour, a three hour tour���
The weather started getting rough,
the tiny ship was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew,
the Minnow would be lost; the Minnow would be lost.
The ship took ground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle,
with Gilligan, the Skipper too,
the Millionaire, and his Wife,
the Movie Star, the Professor and Mary Ann,
here on Gilligan's Isle.

So this is the tale of our castaways,
they're here for a long, long time.
They'll have to make the best of things,
it's an uphill climb.
The first mate and his skipper too,
will do their very best,
to make the others comfortable,
in the tropic island nest.
No phones, no lights, no motor cars,
not a single luxury.
Like Robinson Crusoe,
it's primitive as can be.
So join us here each week my friend,
you're sure to get a smile.
From seven stranded Castaways,
Here on Gilligan's Isle.

Les

thank you guys so much it really was a big help. but for my texts, they dont actually need to be similar to the tempest, but i must be able to relate them to the tempest with links and either compare or contrast. with shrek2 i thought that i could relate it very well because of all the imaginative ideas conveyed. eg. talking gingerbread man etc...so that will help with the imaginative journey thing. to me some of the links to the tempest could be: antonio and alsonso conspiring against prospero to usurp him, with shrek2 king, fairygodmother, and prince charming conspiring to usurp shrek... but i do get how that might not seem a good idea. but am surprised about wizard of oz. i think that that has some pretty good links to tempest. i mean wizard of oz is prospero coz of controlling ppl thing...
the poem �How They Brought the Good News from Ghent to Aix� by Robert Browning (1812�89) seems a bit too complicated and long for me to interpret but thank you very much anyway. also what do you think about the movie "little nicky" starring adam sandler? i think there are some absolutely fantabulous links going on there. prospero=prince of darkness, little nicky's bros= antonio and alonso conspiring to usurp their dad and yeh.
any other texts would be seriously appreciated too tho. thanx a bunch neway

gday since u guys have been so helpful so far, thought i might ask u wat u guys think about the movie the "blue lagoon" with a young brooke shields as a related text for the tempest?

hey guys im doin a speech on imaginative journeys due in one week. the focus is "a journey is a path towards understanding the self; it will always be incomplete, cannot be charted on a map, will never halt, is difficult to describe." we have to compare the ways this statement is supported or challenged by one stimulus booklet text and one visual text of our own choosing.
if anyone has ANY ideas of a visual text i can use plz let me know, coz i have no idea!! thanx

Kell, you have my sympathy. This is like having to navigate through the Sargasso Sea. Your teacher's definition of a 'journey' looks to me like part of the floating garbage.

If 'challenged' is teacher-speak for 'shown to be doubtful' (to put it kindly), I'd go for challenging over supporting, every time.

What is a 'stimulus booklet text'? Sounds like something too lightweight to be classed as a book, and designed to succeed better than the teacher can in grabbing the temporary attention of students who are only studying Year 12 English because they have to. Perhaps a travel advertising brochure inviting young people to 'Get wrecked on Great Keppel' (island), with the usual alluring Baywatch-style photos.

Could a dictionary possibly count as a 'stimulus text'? If so, to challenge you need only quote the entry for 'journey'. I can't think of any dictionary that would define that word in terms of any of the elements put forward by your teacher.

As for 'visual text', the visuals closest to what your teacher understands as a journey would be the daily sight of oneself in the bathroom mirror, but I guess that's not what he/she means.

The whole idea of treating pictures as a form of expression equivalent to writing that one can read or listen to strikes me as misconceived. Yes, I know that modern signage and computer programmes, for example, use numerous icons that are recognised as having meaning; but they aren't literature. Treating pictures and writing as equivalent 'texts' seems to me a cop-out way of dealing with illiteracy by pretending it doesn't matter.

Pictures and writing can of course supplement each other, as with a cartoon strip. Which leads me to wonder whether, say, one of the TinTin cartoon books would be accepted as a visual text, and perhaps as a 'stimulus booklet text' as well. TinTin went on many journeys. I recall he even went to the moon.

I expect however you'll tell me that a 'visual text' means a movie. There are lots of movies centred around journeys that could be used to 'challenge' your teacher's definition. The journey is easy enough to describe; it's not introspective; it has come to an end by the time the movie ends; it might even be charted on a map if one took the trouble. What about, say, 'Romancing the Stone', starring Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner, or the old classic 'Easy Rider' starring Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper?

The only movie that I can think of that goes some way, at least conceptually, to fitting your teacher's concept of a journey is 'The Endless Summer', a pioneering surf movie about travelling round the world in search of the perfect wave. Should be still available in video stores.

I'm a bit of an old reactionary on NSW's year-12 English syllabus, so you had better not take my advice on it too seriously unless and until you have checked with your teacher that your grade won't be marked right down as a result. I'd probably fail year-12 if I had to do it now!

Ian



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thanx Ian ur a legend.
a stimulus booklet is a booklet full of poems and short stories n stuff that all yr 12 students are given (at least in NSW). I already know im going to use the poem "Journey to the Interior" by Margaret Atwood, so now ive got 2 find the visual text - n this can be a movie extract, poster, cd cover, book cover, cartoon, photo, advertisement(in other words just about anything that has some visual aspect 2 it!).
I'll try get those movies u mentioned........dont know when i'll watch them but hey. Probably all next weekend. i swear my teacher's goal (probably like most other teachers) is to make us spend all our free time doing these stupid assignments - which by the way have absolutely no point, i mean, when in life r we going to need all this stuff?! unless we become an english teacher!
anyway, thanx again for all ur help. i really appreciate it.

Hey, unfortunately i am also studying imaginative journies for the hsc and if anyone is looking for sophisticated visual texts as i believe many of you are, then a great source is any leunig cartoon strip related to journies. I know already of many past hsc students who have used leunig cartoons and got in the high 90's. Another great imaginative journies text is charles dickens - the child's story, which is in itself clever and links well with both Coleridge's "Lime Tree Bower" and "Frost at Midnight". And to everybody who has an assessment task due this coming week (Dec. 6-10), all the best and wish me luck. Hope i could help

For those who, like I, do not know who Leunig is:

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Hey Rachel. Just thought i'd tell you I'm doing A Beautiful Mind as one of my additional texts in relation to the tempest and its working really well. If you use the imaginative journey as a path to self-discovery through the mind then it great. John Nash's character goes through this amazing transformation as a person and this is due to his illness and learning to deal with it. The fact that the illness is mental means it is an imaginative journey because he has to learn how to control his mind and recognise the difference between what is real and what is in his head. plus if you're comparing it to prospero you can see the similarities. they both transform emotionally into much wiser people by the end of the stories.
hope thats of any help.
miriam

Hi,
I'm doing imaginative journeys and I think it's much more interesting than physical because we get to have better qaulity written texts. Though we aren't doing that Angel poem I think you guys were talking about I'm going to see if I can get a hold of it. We're doing Robert Frost (The Road Not Taken), Margret Atwood (Journey to the Interior) which are excellent. I don't want to affend anybody but I can't believe someone is doing Shrek 2 as a related text unless you are a very talented english student and can intergrate the texts the markers are looking for things more sophisticated. Also I don't know what your teachers have told you or it may be different in where ever you're from but we've been informed that the rules have changed and you are allowed to do two poems, or movies, or short stories as related texts as long as the genre's are different. Also if anyone needs context on Robert Frost, Margaret Atwood or Kenneth Grahame I have heaps to give you. Some great imaginative journey related texts are "One thousand chestnut trees" or if you wants something quick I suggest Tim Wintons book "The Turning" full of short stories that can be good for both physical and imaginative. It seems lots of people need last minute texts for someone with limited filmic knowledge i suggest "The Big Fish" as it is easy to watch and also gather information and I also agree with the person that said "A Beautiful Mind."

If anyone does four unit english please post how you're finding it or what you're doing for it. I'm interested in finding what other people think of it.

Falcon, you seem to be clued up on these HSC issues. Can you please explain, for the benefit of us older Emulers (whose schooling was completed long before HSC was thought of), what is meant in your school by saying that one text is 'related' to another. How do you or your teachers judge? What are the criteria of relatedness? Or is the idea to take any texts you like, however dissimilar, and then try to construct some kind of 'relatedness' between them?

I have asked this question several times on Emule, but rather to my surprise nobody even attempts to answer it.

We are often asked on Emule to suggest 'related' texts. Unless someone clarifies what that means, how can we help?

Ian

Not that I am Falcon but -
related texts - say the focus the school is studying is Imaginative Journeys - these related texts must all have concepts of the Imaginative Journey instilled within them - in the HSC AOS paper you must be able to compare the attitudes of these texts with one another in relation to the Imaginative Journey

So say our prescribed text for Imaginative Journeys is Coleridge - "Kubla Khan" etc. etc. then we have to go find our own texts that relate to imaginative journeys - so I could choose say "the Wizard of Oz", "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" - and these would be my related texts - I could say

"Kubla Khan" and "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" lead the responder on a
wildly imaginative journey and relieving them from the mundane facets of reality. The use of assonance, alliteration, juxtaposition....blahblha"


that's about it - does it make any more sense?

Thanks for making the attempt to answer my questions, Vee.

From what you say, I gather that any two texts, however dissimilar in other ways, can be treated as 'related' if they both involve, say, imaginative journeys, or physical journeys, or whatever focus topic you are studying. That gives a pretty wide scope for finding related texts.

It does however mean that anyone looking for a related text, and especially anyone asking for help on that from E-mulers, needs to make clear what they count as an 'imaginative journey' or 'internal journey' or 'physical journey' or whatever. Those focus concepts don't have accepted definitions in the world of literature. They are just dreamed up by whoever set the NSW HSC syllabus.

It also means you need to be clear what you mean by a 'text'. Perhaps your generation has grown accustomed to that concept and is comfortable with its meaning, but as a relative 'oldie' I find it a barbarous descriptor. It appears to be used to refer to any manner of communication regardless of the form. I can't see much value arising out of an approach that treats, say, a poem and a novel and a film cartoon and a radio play and a book review and an advertising blurb all on the same level just as 'texts' to be compared. To me that is not education in literature. It is pseudo-education.

When you have got through your HSC ordeal, I hope you will return to poetry with the simple aim of discovering what you like and what you don't like, and having fun in the process.

Ian

Hi my name is shalvin and i am starting yr 12 next week and i do'nt have a clue what a pysical journey is. plz plz Help me this is due next week.

thanks shalvin

Hey everyone,

I need some serious help here.

I need to do an assignment on Journeys both physical and imaginative see its an aussie english task they been doing for years now and they can't be bothered to chasnge it.

ANYWAYS I need some help in analysing the movie SHREK. I need to know what its about, some techniques used and what are there affect, and i need to know how it relates to the book The adventures of Huckleberry Finn please help me and I also need a written text on journeys please I need desperate assistance.

I thought Id just write in here if anyone needs help with an assignment on the future, a physics assignment on GPS or **** like that just ask and i can provide
Also i have great Studies Of Religion Assignments to help yas out and modern History possibly Design and technology aswell just ask and i can give you em you'll need to do some adjustments to get some better marks but it won't be hard.

I know ive written alot today but can someone give me a written text on journeys one thats short and easy
Thanks a million

hey! i have a presentation coming up later this week on Blakes poem 'The Angel' any ideas wer i can get some detailed notes on it please!!!!

hello i need help with an english assignemnt due on fri.. ive been expected to write comparison between the two poets john donne and robert frost and there poems if anyone can help me please thanks

Which poems are you using?

pam

i need an extract from a novel that is based on imaginitive journeys.. thanks

Yeah I'm doing 4 unit English. I'm doing a video. Seeing as i;'ve done sweet fa on it so far, it's not really going too well - i see me failing it. Just thinking about it makes me think how much i want to start it. I am also doing that shite imaginative journeys crap for 2 Unit.

lmao .. i was just searching stuff for my assignment on the beautiful mind in regardance towards imaginative journeys and this came up .. :)Tim Freestone wrote:

Gday guys this site is great, just reading through some comments and I have a better understanding of journeys also. Like many of you I am doing imaginative journeys and just wondered if you understood any of the techniques of english used in journey to the interior - margaret atwood, and in the HSC what parts are good to pick up on!
Youre all doind well Keep it up.
Linds

hi i just read u have heaps of songs on physical journeys. maybe u could spare some?!!! i'm doing an assignment and trying to find a song.

thanks
carly

Hey guys i was wondering if you could help me in finding some concepts on imaginative journeys, i have to do a three minute speech and i have to identify the ideas, values and attitudes of a text, so i chose Big Fish because its all about imaginative Journeys, but i need some serious help, thanx

Kov

hmm, I am confused.

I am also from Australia, NSW in fact...

Our syllabus has defined that we study on the physical journey... and that we be able to conceptualize this... I personally am somewhat confused, as neglecting the metaphorical tends to make me unable to conceptualise.

In fact since concepts are intangible, should not the "~physical~ journey" be impossible to "conceptualise".

We are studying the poet Peter Skrzynecki... umm, I see no reference to "physical" journeys what-so-ever.

I am really frustrated by the fact that we are suppose to pull a whole heap of meaning out of something that is completely physical and obvious. I draw attention to things like metaphors and imaginative descriptors defining the journey and I am told to stop slipping away from the ~physical~.

I very much need help understanding this, what seems to me, paradox.

can you help.

"" denotes cr@ppy B.O.S. buzz words.

when in doubt, consult a dictionary (the way I started out a lot of compositions):

from merriam webster online: to conceptualize: to interpret conceptually
con�cep�tu�al : of, relating to, or consisting of concepts
concept: 1 : something conceived in the mind : THOUGHT, NOTION
2 : an abstract or generic idea generalized from particular instances

I think the syllabus means the second one here, since you already tried the first meaning without success. So, you have to find all the instances in Peter's poem or poems dealing with a physical journey (i.e. someone goes from one place to another), and see if they have something in common. Is he saying something Generic about it? For example, do all the instances give you the feeling that the person travelling is lost, or between cultures, or enjoying the landscape, or learning something?

Does this help?