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Patriarch
Posted by: Mr. P (24.20.36.---)
Date: April 27, 2022 11:58PM

I want to change the world
To suit me

But am I good when
I better others
Simply because they're more useful that way?
Is life more complex than a children's story?

Am I correct to lead
When I warn away?
Should man handle power
Or be crushed by nature?

Should I leave them to our inherited
Corruption
Is it moral to mold a man
When I don't know the way
Should I leave them, should I leave them
Or lead them, warning, I don't know the way

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2010 12:02AM by Mr. P.


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: les712 (68.116.86.---)
Date: April 28, 2022 12:59PM

Is it moral to mold a man
When I don't know the way


Ask most parents if they always know what's best for their kids, many would admit that they know little to nothing about showing the way. Yet every parent molds their children in many irreversible ways. Good food for thought Percival.


Les


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: JohnnyBoy (24.185.226.---)
Date: April 28, 2022 10:10PM

lyrical last stanza....good


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: Mr. P (24.20.36.---)
Date: May 11, 2022 01:04AM

Em. Molding a child is relevant to this discussion, but molding an adult is the focus here. But, I suppose, should one be capable of being molded, or in need of molding, they are a child no matter the age.


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: les712 (68.116.82.---)
Date: May 11, 2022 01:04PM

My point, Percival, which I failed to state very clearly, is that people's ability to change may be predetermined by the environment in which they were raised.


Les


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: Mr. P (24.20.36.---)
Date: May 12, 2022 12:52AM

Yes, a sad truth.


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: hpesoj (69.116.241.---)
Date: June 01, 2022 06:12PM

Your speaker's desire to "mold the world to suit me," reminds me a lot of Shakespeare's Richard III. Here was a man, in Shakespeare's view at least, who had no real desire to be great - just a desire to be greater than he was - to mold the world to his liking. I should hope your speaker's desire does not lead him/her down the path that Richard took.

I'm with Johnny on the lyricality of the last verse. The whole poem is nicely written, but the last verse reads especially well.

Joe


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: Creepy (216.220.216.---)
Date: June 05, 2022 11:53AM

Mr. P,

Hehehe

Love love the opening of this one. It's soooo you

Angelia


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: frost42_24 (67.185.64.---)
Date: June 09, 2022 11:59PM

this is most excellent.


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: Mr. P (24.20.36.---)
Date: June 23, 2022 12:34PM

Joseph,

But what is "being great" if not wanting to be better than one's current self, continually growing through hell and high water, changing the self and surroundings? Do you mean that being great is being better than your fellow man, and aiding them? How would that be great exactly, they say power breeds corruption. If that's the case, wouldn't one prescribe to the methods of the I Ching (if thats the name), that men must be denied growth to prevent their eventual self destruction? That men must be kept dumb, weak, and helpless to truly be at peace? For many will agree men are nothing but smart animals, their self understanding incomplete, who destroy themselves in the efforts of betterment. Of course, when you start with nothing, you can only go up, right?

It's interesting that our speaker is often misunderstood. That many see strength and assume it to be utilized to negative ends. Why do you suppose that people rarely see strength and imagine the positive that comes of it? Why would they not consider the vast growth of humanity, built on the backs of the few strong? Perhaps, perhaps there is some thought in the ether, some thought that makes men fear strength, and that fear makes them incapable of understanding.



Chubby,

Good that you're back. These old bastards are getting rather stiff.



Frost,

Oh?


Re: Patriarch
Posted by: Creepy (216.220.216.---)
Date: June 23, 2022 03:00PM

Mr. Pee,

Sorry you made everyone stiff. I'm not very willing to help with that.

Have a spicy day




Ange




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