I recall
Their ignorance, I once twisted to the rhythm
I remember how adamant I was, how I'd
How I'd be just as primitive
So when they reach to the sky, I wait
But the times change, some get brave,
And god craves blood and bone again
Practice, practice
The endless chaos spawned by these little lies
No god
We're to blame
I find it interesting that no major religion, unless you want to count the Quakers, has as a major tenet forbidding of war.
Les
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In my travels through the mind, I've found the answer to that question. Whatever the original purpose of the various religions may have been, they have become little more than cages of the consciousness. People who seek only lies find only lies. Lies cannot build logic, cannot move the world, only destroy it.
I agree with what you say to a certain extent, Percival. A fact all of us believers must face is that every religion is interpreted by mere mortals, and thus inherently fallible. My own take on all this is that man creates God in his own image. Hence, if we humans see war as an inevitable part of the human condition, then it becomes part of our "perfect" world.
Les
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Or. A life spent dreaming of a fantastical perfect world leaves one unprepared for reality. A life taking no responsibly for yourself, your world, leaves one ignorant of themselves. As, instead of rightly suffering the range of human emotion, including those denied by the various religions, one grows exponentially stupider, working harder and harder, devoting more and more of themselves, to self destruction. Or in their terms, enlightenment.
And anyone who alters the very core of themselves toward self destruction, whether they believe it self destruction or not, is at odds with the fundamental laws of reality which they cannot comprehend, making themselves monsters. All monsters think they are saints Les.
Getting back to the poem, Percival, are the individuals who carried out the 9/11 attacks solely responsible for the attacks, or was it the work of one of your monster masterminds?
Les
A common problem I have with the religious is determining what the hell they're talking about. Is it merely their lack of understanding that causes them to spout nonsense? Or is their fear of truth, which causes them to skirt even the simplest of issues? I don't know. Don't they realize the price for dishonesty, manipulation? The rift it causes between people? I don't know.
But back to the poem. Nothing resembling a mind or master carried those out. Less it was an inside job, which I highly doubt. A mind that refined rarely finds itself in politics. But anyone with any sense doesn't throw themselves at a random target, they go for a single killing blow. All that "attack" did was rush the end of those psychopaths. Train the eye of their world on them, piss people off. They fucked themselves. No thought, all fervor. Blow something big up, god'll come down and give us a hug. Ha.
Religion or not, so long as man is the being he is you actually have a single two positon switch. Slavery or War. Choose.
I am inclined to agree. But from mutual cooperation, when resources are abundant, come mutual gain. Isn't it odd that the most unstable areas of the world are those low in resources? What kind of crazy coincidence is this?
Many people say I'm a good man, this is false. I'm simply aware that when those around me are sane, competent, and level-headed, my life is simpler. Less crime, things go smoothly, I can depend on their work, so on. So, am I a good man for helping those around me? No. I am a smart man. Am I cold for recognizing this fact? Or am I a good man for not pretending I'm more than I am?
We've covered that there are, indeed, those who must die for the sake of the rest. Certainly. But those that must die, remember, are not far removed from us. In redeeming them we gain future defense against their condition.
So, what do I choose? War, but with life. Not men. Of course, there are still too many crazy fuckers out there poisoning humanity with their twisted perceptions of reality to make that possible.
Most unstable,, fewest resources?? You checked the mid east oil fields lately?
Merc,
Slavery or War. Choose...silly when not just dangerous to other people. To ignore the compassion and co-operation which stands so starkly in antithesis to such a world view. sad dualistic thinking. I know you know about the later, given your life experiences.
amo,
Peter
Yes Pete, it would be wonderful if everyone hated violence as much as you do. But given the "other guys" and until you can convince them, we need some young folks to take up arms against this sea of troubles. (I didn't make that up) Bin Laden is not as opposed to killing a few thousand as you and your peers are. So, he will joyfully kill you, or enslave you. Ergo: Slavery or war. Never said desirable, just inevitable.
Indeed about the fields. And how are those resources being distributed? I imagine to a select few? Let's not forget it's a religious theme park. Did you know that say fucking JESUS walked around there and shit? Naturally this means people must die. Of course I'm not lumping you in with those sociopaths, how could I possibly make that link?
Peter,
Merc's right about this. There are too many psychopaths driven by primitive instincts, in desperate situations and otherwise, aching to mouth fuck your decapitated head, and make sex slaves of your wife (or in San Franciscan, husband) and children. Given the chance. And power rarely makes them sane. Wanting things to be cheery doesn't do shit, you just waste time. Gotta work for it. Quit your hippy bullshit, get your hands dirty, and get something done.
But they don't concern me. "Bad men" are usually nothing more than large, ignorant children. What I fear are men, and I've yet to find one, and hope I never do, who understand both sides. Who know being an animal, and ruling the animal, and choose to hurt others. For me, it's simple. I've been used by people when I had no defense, the idea of being like them makes me sick. But I'm aware that, given minor alterations, I could use people without the remotest concern. I fear them. Gotta be at least one out there.
None of my fellow anarchists is likely to let the bear in the house or be tempted to role over and play dead in the face of violence. You forget, Merc, I grew up in the ghetto - five different slums - of Boston and have withstood attack by more than ten gang members at a time [sometimes I could talk better than the leader...maybe that's why I went into litrcher.]. Not by always turning the other cheek...but I got sick of the fighting when I became a man.
pax,
Peter
Pete, never said you couldn't, just said you didn't want to. There is a bit of difference, less than most would imagine, between having six or eight number 10 brogans aimed at your ribcage and having a 7-5 parked on your desktop. I understand your dislike of violence. Never said it was good, said it pays good, and unfortunately is necessary sometimes. You can outspeak the snot out of the boss of the crips, and you will still have boot prints on your chin.
Percy, I remember now why I usually don't respond to you. Your mouth is unbelievably foul, your intellect obviously small and your logic flawed. Be still and learn.
It's interesting to me how the conversation has turned from religion, to politics.
If war ever becomes one of economics which I believe it will for the U.S. and most other first tier nations, then in the not so distant future we will only immpose our military will on other counties, with the permission of the Chinese government.
Les
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Les,
Economic warfare has been going on a long time, read around.
Merc,
I'm going to give you one chance here. The constitution of america was made by men who did not approve of your beliefs. Nevertheless, they understood that men make mistakes, infact, horrible mistakes. That's how we learn. They also understood that your kind have a tendency to burn the ground of anyone who questions their beliefs, because, hold my hand, you're fucking wrong. You can't stand thinking about how very wrong you are, so you don't listen. Plug those ears up, tell yourself you're so very right, don't even think about the possibility of being wrong.
So, what's the solution? Make freedom of SPEECH and RELIGION a LAW. That way, no stupid twats think they can tell people what to say or think just because they're stronger. So, do you not respond because I tickle that part of you that blanks your mind, makes you think of something else, or because you're such so much better than me?
It's because I'm better than you.
Ths is a crime to those "Who stormed the beach at Normandy"
Please don't do it again.
Well played sir. So didn't you have a forum at one time?
I did, then I thought better of it...
Too many Les type characters...