By way of shameless self advertisement, I came across this website when I Googled my name tonight: [openlibrary.org]...

Peter:
Thanks for sharing this. And thanks for being shameless about it. Somebody has to.

From a fan.

If any of you are in San Francisco April 20th from 7-9pm I'm reading that night.


I hope you will come to my poetry reading on Monday, April 20th 2009 at 7:00pm at Caffe Greco, 423 Columbus Avenue. I'll be reading from my new book. Please invite a friend. Hope to see you there,

Peter

ps See attached poster.



April 20th Monday Night 7pm-9pm

CAFFE' GRECO 423 Columbus Avenue

Peter Sherburn-Zimmer reading from Approximations
from THE POET'S GALLERY APRIL 2009 CALENDAR

cheers,

Peter

I should read the Frivolous thread more often, especially when the rest of Emule seems rather quiet: whether to wish Peter an appreciative audience at Caffe Greco; or to enjoy the adrenalin rush that comes from disagreeing strongly with Ezra Pound's quoted views about the uselessness of literary devices in poetry (a good thing he didn't follow such nonsense when editing TS Eliot); or to be moved by Joe's post a month ago about someone I'd never heard of before, Ed Freeman.

Thanks Joe, for that post. What a hero! His story reminds me of another who sadly didn't survive so long, but who with the aid of a donkey, became a legend for rescuing, in only 4 weeks, more than 300 wounded from the battlefields at Gallipoli.

[www.awm.gov.au] />
[www.diggerhistory.info]

PS: I don't begrudge Paul Newman his publicity. What a great actor! His portrayl in 'The Verdict' of the washed up, alcoholic lawyer overcoming huge difficulties (including the readiness of his clients to turn against him) to win his case was utterly convincing. James Mason as his antagonist in that case was pretty good too.

Ian

Ian:

Fascinating and inspiring story about Private Simpson. I wonder how many more stories of true heroes have gone virtually unknown, or are known by only a few. Given man's propensity for war over the ages, I imagine there are thousands upon thousands.

As to Paul Newman; the comparison to Ed Freeman was actually a part of the article and was made by the author, I'm sure, to draw attention to how society largely ignores people who should be highly respected in favor of those whose achievements are, at best, fleeting. Case in point: the TV news here in the U.S. was flooded this weekend with stories about Madonna's failed attempt to adopt a second child in Malawi, while some truly caring people I know have done a marvelous job over the past 20 years as foster parents for more than a dozen needy or abandoned children...with no fanfare at all (not that they want any). There are many more stories like theirs that should be publicized to inspire others. It just shows where society's priorities lie (lay?).

Terry Johnson (Merc) sent me a note about his meeting Ed Freeman a few years back. It was quite poignant and one I hope he will consider sharing with others here on the forum.

Joe

P.S. Newman's work in The Verdict was, as you say, "utterly convincing."

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Tale

Three of the gods, begging, in the desert, came upon a camel driver, a musician and a cobbler, each willing to exchange their beings for one day. The cobbler was old, but on his way home. The musician was in the middle of a new composition. The driver was lost. Each hoped to see his way to the end of the day. That was all. “What will you give me in exchange?”-- Each god asked each man. Each, the camel driver, the cobbler, and the musician, gave the gods the same answer: “I will give you a day of rest.” Men and gods were happy for a day.

April 5, 2022

That sounds profound, and the ending is obviously happy, at least for a day, which is comforting, but I don't understand what the bargain was, or indeed why the gods needed to beg. Perhaps I am rendered dumb by having consumed the better part of a bottle of wine with dinner. Where did this story come from, Peter?

Ian

Ian,

I made it from my own being. Since I am a poet, I get to utilize the mythopoetic process, out of which original myth arises. That subconscious shared through the common access to language makes it possible for me [and other 'makers'] to recognize that when gods dwell among humans, they are almost always begging, or at least their sandals are in need of repair. Perhaps that is one of the reasons that in the ancient world it was so important to treat strangers with the utmost courtesy, see Homer's little tales for instance. One never knows when one might be entertaining one of the deities.

Perhaps camel driver gives a god the use of his camel, the cobbler new sandals, and the musician, the comfort of his music. In return, I think, the gods gave each of the men another day of life, that is, a day of rest...there are other ambiguities here I would not be content to merely unfold, explaining fables is never as satisfying as creating them, obviously. I am never satisfied with my explanations of the myths I create.

c'est ca.

Thanks for asking and for reading.

Peter

Gentlemen.

In what tone of voice are you invoking that word, Mr P?

In a, "Hello, how are you?" sort of way. Then add some of my arrogance spice blend.

Hope all's going well for you, Percival. We all need your spice in our lives.

Peter

Hey, that's what I've been saying all long. But who wants to listen to me?

But who wants to listen to me?

Nutmeg fanatics?

Me, I don't have the thyme.



Les

I've yet to master nutmeg. Course I'd need a microplane to do that right, something I've meant to get my hands on for years. Never underestimate a microplane.

I'm more of an herbes de provence kinda guy, but those are hard to come by in the states.

Samitr

Samitr, I had to look that up, that's how sophisticated a cook I am: [en.wikipedia.org] />
What country are you from?

Les

He kids,

Here's the latest spampoetry I got today with the ad to make it larger [lineation added]:

lamb date
acuity faint fall fairy
abject jazz onus
importaerial
tupelo vega
waxy bishop
immune agent
yukontundra jejune
ibm squirm
aden darry tussle
onus fall

cheers,

Peter

[www.artofbleeding.com]

Les, a long, long time ago you posted a link that showed the cost of the Iraq war, by state. I came here looking to find it, tripped over my ADD and replied to David Madison instead. lol. If you remember where it is, please send it on my way.

Sincerely,
Brucefur

Brluce, bo here: [www.mibazaar.com] />

Lee

Not sure where else to put this but I'm sure it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. As I was always under the impression, though, this is the place for off-topic posts having little to do with the poerty posted herein.

Some of you may remember me from years back (but probably not). I had posted here for years under several different aliases then stopped suddenly. I've since come out of my severe poetic coma as fate has lead me to do so. I found that no aparent impact was coming of my poetry, save to be read by some of the greatest minds I've never known. As if that and keeping me somewhat sane for those few years wasn't enough...I gave up on poetry completely.

I've read, posted and commented on many poems here. But I never put my thoughts to work. They fell short as merely thoughts without action. However, I've found a way to do so in my own style - lyrically. I'm sure that many of you will not appreciate the form in which I've chosen to express my poerty but on the off chance my passion for writing will be revealed more clearly than in writing itself, I'd like anyone interested to visit www.myspace.com/solacefadesnj - This is not an advertisement so please don't view it as one. I only want to share the product of my writing with those who read it first.

None sense. We are lazy, mostly blind, and very slow. Bring your work here.

What Mr. P said

seriously, pretty much all I write is lyrics

go for it

Shadow, unless your work is under copyright, there's no reason you couldn't post it in both places.

Here's a hyperlink for you: [www.myspace.com] />

Les

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The Poem I mentioned under Kris' piece called The Poem.

AMERICAN POETRY

Whatever it is it must have
A stomach that can digest
Rubber, coal, uranium, moons, poems.

Like the shark it contains a shoe.
It must swim for miles through the desert
Uttering cries that are almost human.

Louis Simpson

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note from my journal this morning:

Delight, Steevo and ‘thewolfpoet’ are posting this morning. So the eMule community is beginning to gather again.

Peter

--your response to Kris's poem is the perfect complement, Steve.

--Shadow's Breath, you should know lyrics are always welcome here.

--Is anyone else getting any good 'found poetry' in their spam?

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A gentle plea to

24 poets with a single posting on the board today

1~OriginalSyn~ 1ajc1373 1Anon... and on
1belleprofessionelle 1Bohemian Poet 1Boo Cipher
1Broken Silence 1desire 1Ebon Lupus
1Emerald 1Gouwerijns 1Gryffigirl
1Jay 1Joseph 1JP
1larkinabout 1Lennonwolf 1lifeisbutadream
1martyn 1Matty 1meriti
1Merri M.B 1redmitten 1xiimix

three poets with two posting on the board today

2aaron 2les712 2Merc 2Steevo

four poets with three postings on the board today

3 = 1Percival 1Mr. P 1M.P. 3 = 2David Madison 1Madison David 3bluepyche

five poets with four postings on the board today

4 = 3UPMarty 1Marty 4dawlypaul 4easyeverett 4frost42_24 4Iridescent1

I hope each of you will post more poems this month.

amo,

Peter

Is it okay if pseudo-poets post too?
Steve

Absolutely, if they know who we are.

btw, I've been posting less than a poem a day for the last three eeks, lol.

psz

I was referring to myself.
I think I know who all of you are. It's me I'm still trying to figure out.

Eek! Eek ! Eek !

Oh? Then who am I? I would return this favor but know too little of you. You may request other information in return.

Just kidding around. I claim no insights. I figured somebody would jump on that line.

But seriously -- I consider many of the people here (including you Percival) to be poets. I think of myself as someone who sometimes writes poems -- and considering becoming a poet. (a psuedo-poet or poet wanna be).

It's a minor distinction, and only a measure of the degree of dedication. But I think someone who dedicates themselves intently to poetry (as many here do) deserves some greater recognition and respect for doing so. Unfortunately we only have words to express how we feel about such things. And Words, names and titles are seldom enough to explain a feeling.

Try as we might to make them so.

those pshoes are made of psuede

apseu-lute-ly

that was the mouse
he was too meek to eek
so my fingers had to sneak that one in

[www.youtube.com] />
Riki Chen video's this Monday night at Greco Caffe...without my knowing it.

Peter

7:04 PM All day at the wedding. Over 50 people there I saw I knew...kind of weird...don’t know if that has ever happened before.

You mean seeing over 50 people you know all in one place?

yes.

lol Country living and city living.

Mary, I think you are being sarcastic, but surprise at teh number would be a normal reaction here. Some may not appreciate the difference in cultures.

We rarely find 50 people in one place around here. Never mind 50 people you know. Maybe some very special funerals and weddings, or a high school football game. (But that requires two towns to pull it off.)

My commute to work for over 20 years was 18 miles each way. Normally I might encounter 4 to 6 cars going in and about twice that going home.

Just a little perspective.

re:perspective Steevo, the town I live in had 808,976 - Jul 2008 - shows how much I get around, Peter

Steve, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I was simply affirming with Peter that what I was reading into his comment was exactly what he was addressing in it.

After four years of conversing with you, Peter, and whatever it is that I know or think I know of your years in SF, I would say perhaps the chasm between your life out East and there has narrowed a little more than you knew? That's neat.

Mary

So I wish e-mule didn't come up as being a site noted to have dangerous downloads. I wonder if the owners could do anything to clean it up.

"dangerous downloads" sounds like a euhemism.
Could mean anything from crass toilet humor to commentary on some of the stuff I've posted.

Yahoo just told me to change my password because it has been 'violated.' The emails I get from Angelic sound like they are from a psychotic hacker, NOT HER. I think that is what they are referring to, the danger of viruses and malicious hackers.

Yes, Peter, that's what I think too. It's just that when googling other sites, I don't think I've seen too many, if any, of those types of warnings. E-mule, however, has red check marks and warnings and a site advisor pops up when here. That's more than a little disconcerting when it's one of the places I most like to visit when online. I was thinking that the patrons here would probably appreciate if something could be done about it by the owners. Or, if it's something some of us are doing unknowingly (like when posting links to music), we could be informed and directed not to. My new computer recently crashed and I'd hate to think a virus caught on e-mule caused it...or worse yet, that there's someone (instead of just some thing) among us causing it.

Les, I noticed you don't as often post the links to the music on the lyrics thread. We had discussed this issue when Percival brought it up some time back and you were of the opinion there wasn't anything wrong with doing so (R/T copyright). Do you think it's a bad idea related to bringing unwanted adware, spyware, etc. to the site? Just wondering. When I'm at a loss for poetry, music is the next best thing, but I'll certainly bypass the urge if it could be contributing to problems for the site.

Mary

Mary,

One thing that confuses me about your experience with these things at E-mule is that I have none of these problems here that you mention, which makes me suspect it might be something specific to what you let on your computer or some specific thing you are during or maybe a problem with your firewall and the specific safety software you use...but also have no expertise in those areas. Maybe Percival or someone you know can advice you on that. I do not think it is the site itself.

Peter

Peter,
I don't know much about these things either and I do very little on the world-wide web beside use e-mail, play computer games, and visit e-mule. Young people today, on the other hand, are very adept and active on the computer. Instant messaging has replaced the telephone as a favorite pass-time for teens (this can be limited to just their circle of friends from school or people they know).The telephone seems to be reserved for "text" messaging. Using i-tunes to download music onto MP3 players or I-pods has replaced the stereo system as we knew it.


With viruses and problems I've encountered, I would tend to want to put the blame on the activities of the other, more computer savvy, people with access to my computer. That same savvy, however, also spreads into the world of virus protection.

With my computer disabled, I am now using my son's. He apparently has better virus protection downloaded onto his, which gives messages about sites that have been tested and found to have dangerous downloads. In other words, sites to avoid if you don't want problems for your computer.

As he didn't have e-mule bookmarked, I had to google it when first accessing the site from his computer. E-mule was highlighted with a warning. When I proceeded and came here anyway, a Site Advisory (with a picture of a bug next to it) appears at the bottom of the screen and remains there until I X-out of e-mule.

So as much as I still don't know for sure if e-mule was the cause of yet another computer crash for me, there are definitely some problems noted to be here that are not just conjecture or my imaginatio, Peter. It's come down to my son telling me he doesn't want me to visit e-mule on his computer for fear it will cause problems on his as well. He apparently heeds the site advisories.

Mary

Hold onto your Windows CD like a birth certificate. Keep the book and other shit that comes with it. Possessing that allows you to "Reformat" your computer. Pop the CD in, click a few of the options, and the process begins. The action of this process is to delete everything on your computer, EVERYTHING, and reinstall windows and ONLY windows. Now your computer is as it was when you first got it.

Assuming you didn't break your hardware somehow, which is extremely unlikely minus a power surge. Always have your computers, ALWAYS have them on good surge bars, round 30-50 bucks is about how much I pay for my surge bar. Anyway, assuming your hardware is fine, this fixes everything. Haven't seen a software problem this hasn't fixed.

Now, there are a variety of problems. One, it takes a little knowledge to do. Pretty much just pop the CD in, click yes a lot, and you done, but there are 2 or 3 spots where you have to guide it. Easy to learn, go find a guide.

Another problem, as we've discussed in unrelated conversations, people have a tendency to ignore their problems until they become unmanageable. Same problem here. Your computer can get so loaded with viruses that you can't even get the damn thing to start, much less read and run a CD. Don't ever let that happen. Reformat before then. If it gets to that point, replace your Hard drive (hardware, main memory), and have someone format it with your CD.

Third problem, Drivers and CDs. Just like keeping the Windows CD, you NEED to keep the CDs of ALL programs you want to keep. Once reformatted, windows is reinstalled, you have a blank slate, all that other shit you had on your computer is gone. You HAVE to reinstall what you want on there.

Forth, general information you want to keep that isn't a program. Text files, pictures, music, bookmarks, files that are your personal information fed into program, such as bookkeepers, calendars, shit like that, that all needs to be put on a disc, or CD, or a thumb drive BEFORE reformatting as it will be deleted along with everything else on there.

So, review. Keep your fucking Windows CD. Learn how to reformat. Reformat before it's too late. Back up all your files, all the time. These are all fucking simple to do. All of them. You don't need to know how the god damned thing works, you just need to know how to do these things and your computer will run for decades.

Yes, Percival, and thank you. You forgot the part about after all is reformatted and hunky dory again, make sure to have a reliable anytivirus, antispyware program.

I already found out exactly how many CD's vs. DVD's I need to back everything up. but keep forgetting to buy them. I also do save every CD that comes with the computer or any other CD's for programs, printer, devices etc. I'll let you know how it all went when I get done.

That's the point of this whole thing, it's the last resort. Takes at least an hour or two. It works, it's simple, viruses gone completely. Getting into anti-viruses adds complications. Scan, scan often, use multiple scanners, don't use a program that's taking up too much system resources or you're just gonna slow the computer down more than a virus would, lot of anti-virus conflict with each other, some fucking set up firewalls that complicate every god damned thing, pain in the fucking ass.

I don't even buy anti-viruses. Plenty of free ones that do the job, and I don't wander around sites that you find viruses on. I honestly don't know where you people get your shit from. Figure you goody-two-shoes would be on christian card crafting sites or something. Where the hell are you getting these high class viruses? Checking out young poet stud porn again?

So whats fucking with the format on the forum? Just my computer that's making the poems and lyrics ugly?

It's not your computer, Percival. Looks like another system glitch in a long line of glitches that continue to drive emule contributors away. Pity.

Joe

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As if I wasn't hard enough to comprehend before ! I looked back on some of the old stuff and it looks terrible

I haven't forgotten you guys...hope all is well

Same back to you...the distorting mirror seems a test to me...if the semantic and aesthetic will make it to the ball without its prom dress on...a test, a test, the windows come unblessed...

but keep at it just,

precede your post with < pre>

put < /pre> two lines after it to retain delineation...dropping the space after the first arrow.

Good to see you're still around, Johnny.

Hey Peter: I'm impressed with your computer wizardry!

Joe

As I always say, I'm always around. Simply waiting.

Speaking of, should we jump ship? It's not as if things have ever gotten better. There's camus' place, if we can tolerate what is sure to be being lorded over. Bruce's, though I don't know if he still maintains one. Either way I don't know the address for either nor how to contact either.

Personally,

I like this place as a place to go to when I want familiar faces. Maybe I'm just lazy and maybe I am a litte over optimistic that the administrators will get their act together and take care of the glitches.

Peter

Well that's the point. We keep those faces by luring them with a working site. We leave behind, here, a message we ritually bump directing them to the new forum.

As for the admins, well. As I said, things have gone downhill for years.

Simple fact of the matter is the mule is dying. No one wants to put up with the various hassles, random attacks, quarterly breakdowns, reregistrations, blah, blah, blah. Plus, all this prevents new blood from coming, which gives the old boys less things to gawk at.

Less the admins get crackin soon, the mule dies. We ain't gotta go down with it.

So the primary motive for posting poems to the poetry forum can’t be the discussion of the poems since there is very little discussion of the poems themselves.

Peter, I think you may be right. A few of us academics tend to value the art of writing, while most ohters seem to use the site as some sort of means of social networking.

Les

Hacked again, these guys need a better security system.

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I don't mind the social networking; I often enjoy it. But I do like to know what people think of my work and why, Les.

Peter