Liquor can't give you a cold. Unless you were passing it back and forth with some sickly, germy folk.

"Let the mad poet speak, that I may ponder and learn the exquisite insanity of words." Rhonda Maltbie

Hey Johnny,

i made a couple changes to Diesel. Check it out and lemme know what you think.

Lady

I never conquered, rarely came, sixteen just held such better days.

Oh, and it's called Wrangler Jeans now.

I never conquered, rarely came, sixteen just held such better days.

Posting to see if the mule is up, sort'a up, or what?
The mule must not like Jan-June-07

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All things are transient. Some are more transient than utters.
--G. Orwell, the cat

How is everyone? I hope this posting means that the old mule is up and running.

Aaron, is the new server now in place?



Les

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Hello Les, welcome back.

Grizzled

Howdy, Grizzled! Is that you, Terry?

Les

Welcome back, Les. At no time during your many postings was your strength for the Poetry Archives felt as much as during your recent absence.

Peter

How did some folks get to keep their old names?

Stubbornness, like a Mule...I made them send me a new password...to my email address by hitting the button that said I forgot my old password.

Thanks a lot Peter, I've missed being able to post here. I had a couple of family emergencies earlier in the year and I now have a schedule which prohibits me from being here as much as I used to, but I will make an effort to read and comment as much as I can.

The good news (I hope) is that Aaron informs me that the long awaited new server is being installed. (Perhaps it has been installed.) I am sorry that many of the newer posts here have been erased because I didn't get a chance to read all of them.

I hope that all e-mule regulars are well and that one by one those who have left will find their way back to this wonderful website.

Les

I tried that twice and it wouldn't work. I gave up and just tried a new name. You must have been very stubborn indeed.

I've the song, "Welcome back Kotter" playing in my head.

oh, the curse. The curse.

Les,

I couldn't get back on without a new user name.


Grizzled
Johnsummers
John

Like, me neither

dude.

totally

sweet

I guess we're all e-donkeys for hanging around. It's good to see you back John, and you too Johnny.

Les
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Les, and all, including myself,
Welcome back! I am happy to see that many of you have found your way back. I too had to change my user name to log in! Doesn't matter as long as I am here now!

KQ

merrily merrily !

Thanks Les, same re you !

Ahhh, my little family =]

It took me four tries with different email accounts but I finally got a new userid here. All of the email accounts were valid, and emule promised that they would send my new userid to those accounts. However, when I logged onto them, alas, no word from the mule. Why it worked only on the fourth try with a fourth email account is a mystery, but, hey, it's just good to be back from the semi-annual emule poetry forum crash. Good to see all of you back, as well. And a special "welcome back" to you, Les.

Joe (joetwo, joet, josepht, tango32, jerseyjoe, etc. etc.)

There have been 15 people posting new work since the mule got back up after its fall whose work is still on the current board, as well as 26 names of people posting new work on the board still on the current board from January 2007. Just in case anyone was wondering. These stats do not include Merc and les712 and others who have comments up instead of new postings.

amo

Peter

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Emmmmm. You alright peter?

Sorry. Just a little bored this afternoon, figuring out I should not post ten poems today. Hope things are going well for you.

Peter

15? really? seems like less than that

I know. That's why I counted.

Eh, could be better, could be worse.

Percival, have you seen the new "Rock Band" video game? It's produced by EA, should be a blockbuster.


Les

You're scaring me Les.. And you should certainly know better than to get me started.

But yes, seen in. It's a blown up version of those "Simon Says" things, sept the buttons are on big plastic instruments and all that is mashed together with karaoke. Be wary of EA, they're the walmart of video games.

I have been reading Net Wars, an online publication. So I want to thank the moderators and webmaster for all their work.

Peter

I'm not familiar with Net Wars, Peter, is there a Cliff's Notes version available somewhere online?

Les

Wow, I can't believe I made it back! How's everybody been doing?

Marty

Great to hear from you, Marty! The world turns, some of us refuse to fall off.

amo,


Peter

Les

here's the address for Net.Wars:

[www.nyupress.org] />
Let me know what you think. I am still only about a third of the way through because it is so hard to read online.

Peter

Mary good to see you back with us.

Peter, thanks for the link, I will check it out, time permitting.


Les

Yea! Marty's back.

Joe

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Thanks Les and Joe, it's good to be back. Only now to get inspiration back for poetry.

Marty

• Writer's cramp may be tied to abnormalities in the brain

--neadline in the news this morning

What's a 'neadline'?

somewhere between the headline and the neckline

collect

do you think that typos are also 'tied to abnormalities in the brain'?

Well, no, they come from eating too many poughteighteaughs

If poughteighteaughs rhymed with
tumenylaughs we might allendup in caliko baths
while the turkeus learned how t choo
when we lettheminto the zu
for the lastest dancecraze,
not the watuzi, the mashed haze.

Or as a dance hall acquaintance of mine
once surmised between waltzes:

It ain't easy being easy,
but it's more fun than your gun.


Les

I've recently picked up a book on Hitler, a biography, and have gotten to the bit before his entering power. It's amazing how consequential his life was. Nearly died an ass load of times, only found a following due to Germany's collapse after WWI, got numerous, important, aid from Jews, only went to Germany due to a childhood obsession with Germanic lore, was a homeless bum, went mad for a bit, and sucked at creative painting though was quite talented in accurate representation.

In short, humanity's greatest crime as an accident. But I suppose it would have to be.

Hitler saw all you mentioned as "destiny" rather than mere accident.

curious as to the author of the bio you're reading

Aye, megalomaniac born of a severely introverted childhood & cooping with failure by burying himself in the Germanic hero lore and imagining himself as such, so I wager. Author is a "John Toland", title merely "Adolf Hitler". Copyright 1976, black exterior. If I'm correct.

I had a feeling it might have been the Toland book

I'd read that one a few years back. On the whole, fairly well-researched,
any number of minor factual errors but nothing significant, except for this really strange claim near the end about coating the interior walls of the boxcars used for transport to work/death camps with caustic material. Not to say it isn't true but I'd never ran across that claim in the hundred or so other books I've read on the subject.

I'm guessing there's a reason that this Friv. is well worn. Is it because a new Friv. wouldn't be sticky? If that's the only reason, I'd be up for a motion to make a new one anyway. This one's sort of long.

Does anyone know where the expression "frame of mind" originated?

Marty

I believe Les is the one to see about the thread.

"Frame of Mind" Seems as though it had a simple source, though I don't know it. Some thinker/painter perhaps? Maybe jesus?

Is that you Percival? I was thinking that Les would have changed it by now if he was able. He's indicated some changes in his life that prevent him from being here as often as in the past so he may have relinquished his role as moderator. If that's not the case, as busy as he is, I think he still would have changed the Friv. if the server/system allowed him to do so.

Les, could you clear up the matter of the super long Friv. #88 thread?

As far as "frame of mind", it may very well have a simple source. I'd be interested to know who/what it is.

Thanks Percival.

Marty

I cast a vote of "aye" on the renewed thread idea - if it can happen. Of course it could be something very sacred, and if so I withdraw my vote with utmost humility -- and in case tampering carries a curse, my name is Mrs. Fitzgerald.

Steevo

Is I, is I.

Frame of Mind.

Disposition. A printer’s frame is a stand on which the type is disposed; a founder’s frame is a mould into which molten metal is disposed or poured; a weaver’s frame is a loom where the silk or thread is disposed or stretched for quilting, etc.; a picture frame is an ornamental edging within which the picture is disposed; a mental frame, therefore, is the boundary within which the feelings of the mind are disposed





ps happy b day 2 terry.

Eloquently put, redmittengirl. I understand what it refers to, or "means", if you will, but was just wondering if there is a particular person, piece of writing, or even era that is credited with coining the phrase which has become so universally used. It's rather poetic, but is so woven into everyday language that it has earned its place as accepted "clinical" terminology.

I think I'm bored.....can you tell? and no, I don't smoke pot. lol.

It's your birthday, Terry? Happy birthday.

Marty

Frame of mind is believed to have originated in 18th century France and was used in reference to the various artistic groups or clics. Armature d'esprit translates almost verbatim into the phrase in English "frame of mind".

You were usually identified with, or partial to, a particular armature d'esprit which indicated who your friends were, the artistic styles you preferred and where you went to socialize. It was almost as important as social class at the time. Aristocrats, patrons and even philosophical groups adopted the phrase as it fit so well in dividing groups within the culture of the time there. The phrase was gradually carried around the world as artists and others of the educated class from Paris branched out from what was then the world's culture center.


Marty. We used to play a game where you were assigned an obscure word or phrase and asked to define it and speak to its origin if you could. Your opponent must choos to believe you or challenge you. Points were involved. Considered a strip version but couldn't talk the ladies into playing. A sophisticated form of bullshit.

If you believed the above I win.

Steevo

I thought it had to do with dharma.

Steevo, bullshit!

So do I win?

In any event, it was a great story. The very kind of story I wanted to hear in regard to the phrase. And from this day forward, whenever I hear the expression, "frame of mind", I'll think of bullshit.

Great fun, Steevo. Thanks.

Marty

Holly: I think Dharma (and Greg) was a really bad TV show that was summarily Buddhad off the air.

Marty: I have to confess I went looking for the real answer and came up empty. This one will take actual effort to answer. You can't just ask Google (or ask Ask). I'm not doing this because of boredom. I am busy all the time, mostly with my job - because I like hot food and a dry place to sleep. But, if I don't stop to do things like this I will probably die from anemia of the brain and spirit. Since I don't have the 30 hours it will take I'm giving this question to a friend who will not be able to resist. He says he never had a real job. He's a college English professor.

It has to do with dharma. 1838 or so.

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Les, could you clear up the matter of the super long Friv. #88 thread?

No, I can't. I'm merely a pedestrian here, like everyone else. Last I heard, Rudy and Aaron were replacing the server. Whether or not they will choose to inform us of their progress on that process I do not know. But for my part,in my latest incarnation I no longer have the ability to edit all the posts. I assume Aaron and Rudy still do have that ability, but they're probably too busy to be bothered with it.

I'm just happy to be able to log on and read some of the posts I enjoy.


Les

This may sound heretical but what if someone were to seize control of the whole universe by starting a new post called Frivolous Conversations #89. (Gasp!) The possibilities are endless.

I wonder if anyone would notice.

a poem from Selected Poems from Jack Kerouac
On Tears

Tears is the break of my brow,
The moony tempestuous
Sitting down
In dark railyards
When to see my mother’s face
Recalling from the waking vision
I wept to understand
The trap mortality
And personal blood of earth
Which saw me in—
Father father
Why hast thou forsaken me?
Mortality & unpleasure
Roam this city—
Unhappiness my middle name
I want to be saved,--
Sunk—can’t be
Won’t be
Never was made—
So retch!

Lawrence Ferlinghetti
from the poem "I Am Waiting"

...I am waiting for my number to be called
and I am waiting
for the Salvation Army to take over
and I am waiting
for the meek to be blessed
and inherit the earth
without taxes and I am waiting
for forests and animals
to reclaim the earth as theirs
and I am waiting
for a way to be devised
to destroy all nationalisms
without killing anybody
and I am waiting
for linnets and planets to fall like rain
and I am waiting for lovers and weepers
to lie down together again
in a new rebirth of wonder...


Les

very quiet tonight.

too quiet

Shhh. Qwiet. Wew hunting wabbits.

I'm hunting for the lost bag of Frito's.

Little known (and probably cared less about) facts. Milk shakes and bagels contain more sodium than potato chips. [www.annecollins.com] />

Les

I just got through with a bag of Rold Gold Mini Pretzel Sticks and there was quite a LOT of salt left on the bottom of the bag.

Always wondered if this is taken into account, I think not.

Milk shakes and bagels contain more sodium than potato chips


Of course this only applies if you eat one chip, one bagel and one 16 ounce shake.

p.s. ANY prepared sandwich from a fast food place contains more sodium than a small bag of potato chips. And don't even think about pizza, mexican, or chinese food.



Les

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Regarding Doc’s post on the poet’s post regarding censorship

Canadian TV has a darker picture on events in Europe that we receive in the USA.
The current administration would rather the population not be aware of the religious
quagmire occurring in Europe, specifically Great Britain. Any event that would reflect on the war effort is discouraged-not censored and there is a vast difference. However, there is information that may interest the majority of the population is not being viewed or printed in this nation.

It is not that Big Brother is watching, rather, Big Brother has rendered you ineffectual and no longer is concerned with what you say or think.
.

Also, the entry below, while available to anyone that cares to seek it out, is not widely know
or discussed even during election years. No, there is no official sanction stating such information is
not to be available, but how many citizens are aware of Federal Politicians Benefit Package?



Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into

Social Security and, of
course, they do not collect from it.

You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable
for persons of their
rare elevation in society . They felt they should
have a special plan for
themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their
own benefit plan.

In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the
need to change it.
After all, it is a great plan.

When they retire, they continue to draw the same
pay until they die.

Except it may increase from time to time for cost
of living adjustment s..

For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and
their wives may expect
to draw $7,800, 000.00 (that's Seven Million,
Eight-Hundred Thousand
Dollars), with their wives drawing $275, 000.00
during the last years of
their lives.

This is calculated on an average life span for each
of those two
Dignitaries.

Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age,
will receive much more
during the rest of their lives.

Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00.
NADA..! ZILCH...

This little perk they voted for themselves is free
to them. You and I pick
up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine
retirement plan come
directly from the General Funds;

See message below

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Jerry, I don't really get how government salaries are related to censorship, but since you brought up the topic of money here's a question you might ponder:

Does ANYone know how much our federal government spends on ANYthing?

[www.federalbudget.com] /> [www.treasurydirect.gov] />

[services.alphaworks.ibm.com] type in (Federal Tax Receipts)

[www.time.com] />


Les

Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 08/18/2007 02:53PM by les712.

Les,

Can't say that I know how much they spend on anything else, but I do know they ain't spending enough on me.

Joe

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I copied a page entitled ‘ChickenBones: A Journal
for Literary & Artistic African-American Themes’ from the internet tonight. Well worth looking at.

Reasons why we should not watch tidal waves from the sea shore:




Les

Here's a photo from today's newspaper: [media.modbee.com] />
Slow news day.


Les

Did they explain why the hillside was in such pain?

Nah, but it's probably from the tourists, I'll check my Ansel Adams and compare notes.


Les

Here you go Holly, click on the photo titled Moon over Half Dome:

[www.sierraclub.org] />

Les

Now that one seems to be cracking a smile.

Too me it gives the mountain some perspective. It's hard to imagine the size of this rock from any distance at all.




Les

Here's a good one from You Tube

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[www.msnbc.msn.com] />
I found this quote particularly interesting:

Men tended to select (as a person they would see again after a "speed date")nearly every woman above a certain minimum attractiveness threshold




So...women can fake orgasms? Hah !

Men can fake entire relatioships !

[www.theonion.com]

That's pretty funny.
I think I was more traumatized by the song, though.
Boobs I've seen.

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Thansks JSC,
'The horror, the horror'

Finally, we find that it was Janet Jackson's boob that killed Kurtz and Brando.
Who says time warps don’t exist?

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

Upset soccer fan burns his own van when team loses

[www.msnbc.msn.com] />
Fishmonger ! I desire to be a Cheesemonger

Reminds me of when we used to go to the Drive-in Movie, and if we didn't like the film, we'd slash the seats

"Liquor can't give you a cold. Unless you were passing it back and forth with some sickly, germy folk."

Liquor is delicious.

Who's who?

Lady Me of the Evening of the Night

Welcome back, Lady

Probably only me and Joe and Peter and Les remember who Paul Winchell was, but this is his daughters website and there's some way funny shit here:

[www.aprilwinchell.com]