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Richard Wilber
Posted by: ink ghost (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 31, 2021 02:43PM

Why have I not heard of him before now?

I’ve recently ordered several poetry book form an online store without knowing anything about them or their authors. For the most part they proved at best mildly attractive and entertaining, in a stagnate and sterile sort of way. “Collected Poems 1943-2004” By Richard Wilbur however, proved to be both hilarious and beautiful (not to be confused with hilariously beautiful but possibly with beautifully hilarious at such times as is appropriate) as well as worth the collective economic value (sum of prices) of all the books.

-Catching My Breath and Cutting The Fat-

This brings me (well near enough) to the questions at hand:

"Have you heard of him?" and (if so) "What do you think of him?"

-If You Have Not-
[www.poets.org]
[en.wikipedia.org]

I.T.

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Magna res est vocis et silentii temperamentum

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: October 31, 2021 03:17PM

I had heard of him, but not payed much attention. A unique style to be sure, humorous and edgy. Here's a sample:

Juggler
--Richard Wilbur

A ball will bounce; but less and less. It's not
A light-hearted thing, resents its own resilience.
Falling is what it loves, and the earth falls
So in our hearts from brilliance,
Settles and is forgot.
It takes a sky-blue juggler with five red balls

To shake our gravity up. Whee, in the air
The balls roll around, wheel on his wheeling hands,
Learning the ways of lightness, alter to spheres
Grazing his finger ends,
Cling to their courses there,
Swinging a small heaven about his ears.

But a heaven is easier made of nothing at all
Than the earth regained, and still and sole within
The spin of worlds, with a gesture sure and noble
He reels that heaven in,
Landing it ball by ball,
And trades it all for a broom, a plate, a table.

Oh, on his toe the table is turning, the broom's
Balancing up on his nose, and the plate whirls
On the tip of the broom! Damn, what a show, we cry:
The boys stamp, and the girls
Shriek, and the drum booms
And all come down, and he bows and says good-bye.

If the juggler is tired now, if the broom stands
In the dust again, if the table starts to drop
Through the daily dark again, and though the plate
Lies flat on the table top,
For him we batter our hands
Who has won for once over the world's weight.


More of Wilbur's work can be found here: [www.poemhunter.com]


Les

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: October 31, 2021 03:35PM

No I have not, but I only read comic books

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)
Date: November 01, 2021 10:37AM

[www.danagioia.net]

Richard Wakefield calls Wilbur's rhymes below 'opportunistic':


The Catch

From the dress-box's plashing tis-
Sue paper she pulls out her prize,
Dangling it to one side before my eyes
Like a weird sort of fish

That she has somehow hooked and gaffed
And on the dock-end holds in air---
Limp, corrugated, lank, a catch too rare
Not to be photographed.

I, in my chair, make shift to say
Some bright, discerning thing, and fail,
Proving once more the blindness of the male.
Annoyed, she stalks away

And then is back in half a minute,
Consulting now, not me at all
But the long mirror, mirror on the wall.
The dress, now that she's in it,

Has changed appreciably, and gains
By lacy shoes, a light perfume
Whose subtle field electrifies the room,
And two slim golden chains.

With a fierce frown and hard-pursed lips
She twists a little on her stem
To test the even swirling of the hem,
Smooths down the waist and hips,

Plucks at the shoulder-straps a bit,
Then turns around and looks behind,
Her face transfigured now by peace of mind.
There is no question---it

Is wholly charming, it is she,
As I belatedly remark
And may be hung now in the fragrant dark
Of her soft armory.


Does Wilbur successfully imitate Auden in the one below?


For W. H. Auden

Now I am surer where they were going,
The brakie loping the tops of the moving freight,
The beautiful girls in their outboard, waving to someone
As the stern dug in and the wake pleated the water,

The uniformed children led by a nun
Through the terminal's uproar, the clew-drawn scholar descending
The cast-iron stair of the stacks, shuffling his papers,
The Indians, two to a blanket, passing in darkness,

Also the German prisoner switching
His dusty neck as the truck backfired and started---
Of all these noted in stride and detained in memory
I now know better that they were going to die

Since you, who sustained the civil tongue
In a scattering time, and were poet of all our cities,
Have for all your clever difference quietly left us,
As we might have known that you would, by that common door.

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: lg (Moderator)
Date: November 01, 2021 10:28PM

I think "opportunistic" is a good word for his rhymes. And yes Auden, at least what little I've read of his work, does come to mind in the last one.

Les

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: marian2 (192.168.128.---)
Date: November 02, 2021 03:10AM

I didn't think I knew him until I visited Les's Poemhunter link and found 'In the Smoking Car' which I've known 20 years or more. Then I discovered 'Shame' and 'First Snow in Alsace' are also in my collection. I like a few of his other poems on the Poemhunter site, but more don't srike a chord - perhaps they were written later in his life - I tend to be a bit traditionalist. I like The Juggler, and Boy in the Window, and Matthew VIII 28ff. In the latter I'm rather perplexed by the word properity - I think it may be a typo, but am not sure if it should be prosperity or property. The only other link to the poem also has properity. Has anyone got a book with it in, that they could check, please?

Rabbi, we Gadarenes
Are not ascetics; we are fond of wealth and possessions.
Love, as You call it, we obviate by means
Of the planned release of aggressions.

We have deep faith in properity.
Soon, it is hoped, we will reach our full potential.
In the light of our gross product, the practice of charity
Is palpably non-essential.

It is true that we go insane;
That for no good reason we are possessed by devils;
That we suffer, despite the amenities which obtain
At all but the lowest levels.

We shall not, however, resign
Our trust in the high-heaped table and the full trough.
If You cannot cure us without destroying our swine,
We had rather You shoved off.

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)
Date: November 02, 2021 11:41AM

I was planning a trip to my local biblioteca later today, and I remember seeing a large tome of Wilbur's on the bottom shelf of the poetry section (and poetry is NOT found in the fiction stacks, for those who like to repeat that platitude), so I will check it out. I would think prosperity has to be correct, to rhyme with charity.

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: ink ghost (192.168.128.---)
Date: November 02, 2021 12:37PM

Sorry I don't have time to comment in full, but I'm on my way to work.
Yes marian, they seem to have forgotten the s, in the book it's prosperity.

I.T.

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Magna res est vocis et silentii temperamentum

Re: Richard Wilbur
Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)
Date: November 02, 2021 04:45PM

Right. Other corrections:

The 'You' pronouns are not capitalized.

The book (Walking to Sleep - 1969) has inessential for non-essential.

For Gadarenes, see for example,

[en.wikipedia.org]

For Matthew VIII 28ff, the abbreviation ff likely means 'and what follows', not any other the others listed below:

[acronyms.thefreedictionary.com]

Speaking of which, it sounds like it might lend itself to an abbreviated limerick (like Maine, pain gain would be ME, PE and GE), but would a reader, erm, swallow the logic of ending with ff + ap + sw for follows Apollo's and swallows?

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: marian2 (192.168.128.---)
Date: November 04, 2021 12:28PM

Thanks for the corrections ink ghost and Hugh - the ff abbreviation is the norm for 'and what follows' in a Biblical reference in the UK, often meaning 'all verses to the end of the chapter', so I understood that - though it is more usual to put Matthew 22 v28ff.

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)
Date: November 06, 2021 10:49AM

Right, and the two-letter abbrevs won't work, since they would have to logically appear as double single letters. I.e. ff=follows, hh=hollows, ww=wallows.

See also Briton Riviere's Miracle of the Gadarene Swine"

[tinyurl.com]

"My name is legion" seemed to ring a bell with Richard Matheson's I Am Legend, but maybe I am misremembering something by Zelazny.

Re: Richard Wilber
Posted by: JohnnySansCulo (192.168.128.---)
Date: November 06, 2021 01:36PM

Zelazny: [en.wikipedia.org]

"We are Myria LeJean" is used to introduce this character in Terry Pratchett's Thief of Time. She is a manifestation of an auditor, a being which will be destroyed if it shows any sign of individuality. "Myria" is easily associated with "myriad", and "LeJean" with "legion", alluding to this bible passage.



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