I suggested to Aaron to set up a workspace for the people who wish to work on the poetry database. He asked me to look for at least 5 volunteers and then he will set it up.

When it is set up we can decide what to do and how to tackle things. Of course, these should include expanding the database (and checking copyrights) and correcting errors. I've also been thinking about adding an "analysis" section somewhere.

Who wants to help?

Me.

I don't know if I have posted this statement made by Banjo Paterson before but it came up in conversation recently when we were discussing what makes great poetry and I think it is well worth considering. I strive to meet each of these requirements when I write.

"If you read any work and you find that it is full of ideas that make you think: if those ideas are conveyed in imagery or drama and above all - if the words are smooth and natural and sonorous, and as effortless as a drum beating in a distant forest- then you are probably reading great poetry." AB (Banjo) Paterson

anyone else? I count on hugh to check copyrights, after all the research he has done on it I see him as an expert. As well as Marian NYC who provided a lot of info on copyrights some time ago.

Of course, it is not a full time job. You can volunteer, and then put as much time and input in it as you wish. You can also opt to volunteer if you do not wish to do anything else but proofreading.



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add me to the list as well

pam

great! Thanks!

Marian WTC?

Yikes !

Hi Johnny. Does the post here mean you are volunteering. Good. You're in.

>Who wants to help?

Happy to help any time. So long as it doesn't interfere with my normal activities of loafing, lechery and lascivious (mis)behavior, right.

Desi, I don't know that I'm qualified to do any of these things.

"Qualifications! We don't need no stinkin' qualifications!"

Don't you need a poetic license or something?

Mine got taken away for Reading While Intoxicated.

pam

Did they use one of those Macbethalyzers on you?

They washed their hands of me.

pam

I'd be glad to help, agin, with Johnny's qualifications, especially with profreading.

Peter

Well, we need someone to make the typos to correct in the first place, don't we? Welcome aboard.

I'm not volunteering--as Groucho said, more or less, I wouldn't associate with anyone who would even consider letting me on the committee. Besides, I'm still trying to recover from the the loss of the little red 'new' notifications. Snivel. The little red news. My tiny little friends...gone...but not forgotten...

Sure Desi, let me know what I can do....you can always fire me if i stink

I get them- but only after I logged in.

pam

I sent all the volunteers an email. Let me know if you didn't get it.

No, didn't get it.

pam

You need a place to talk about the royal duties of the king.And what he is doing to save the world.Talking works out problems.We need Your advice now!

Desi:

Proofreading I can do...let me know.

JoeT

I'll have a go at typing up poems, but I'll need someone else to proofread.

Desi,

I can scan into files, then proof, poems, I mean.

Peter

Hello all,

If you have not been added to the list or want to see if I added you please send me a email here: rgilmer@emule.com with the subject line "gilmeremule" which will get you past the spam filter guranteed

If you click on the "Forum List" link, it shows you the 4 message boards. If you are setup for the committee, you should see the fifth hidden board at the top of your list. At present only a couple messages have been posted so nothing has been missed yet for anyone starting late

We have plenty of work to go around...

Aaron

looking for two poems 1st title " the man in the glass " 2nd title "september " can anyone help me,THANKS

here's one

[www.angel9oh7.com]

this September ?

September 1961
Denise Levertov

This is the year the old ones,
the old great ones
leave us alone on the road.

The road leads to the sea.
We have the words in our pockets,
obscure directions. The old ones

have taken away the light of their presence,
we see it moving away over a hill
off to one side.

They are not dying,
they are withdrawn
into a painful privacy

learning to live without words.
E. P. "It looks like dying"-Williams: "I can't
describe to you what has been

happening to me"-
H. D. "unable to speak."
The darkness

twists itself in the wind, the stars
are small, the horizon
ringed with confused urban light-haze.

They have told us
the road leads to the sea,
and given

the language into our hands.
We hear
our footsteps each time a truck

has dazzled past us and gone
leaving us new silence.
Ine can't reach

the sea on this endless
road to the sea unless
one turns aside at the end, it seems,

follows
the owl that silently glides above it
aslant, back and forth,

and away into deep woods.

But for usthe road
unfurls itself, we count the
words in our pockets, we wonder

how it will be without them, we don't
stop walking, we know
there is far to go, sometimes

we think the night wind carries
a smell of the sea...

If I can be of any help, add me. You say no qualifications, Desi? I guess that applies to me!

While your committee is busy proofreading the Poetry Archives, could someone do something about the Discussion Boards page under "Homework Assistance" where there is a dreadful sentence: "In seek of divine inspiration to help you along?"

I'm guessing you mean it should be either, 'in need of', 'in search of', or 'seeking'. Google shows the phrase is quite popular, as is:

[tinyurl.com]

proofreaders needed. I'm going to start (after a long absence, sorry), working on the database. I posted a message there.

Can we get workable copies of Gerard Manley Hopkins poems, such as the versions posted on the Wondering Minstrels website.

Les

What do you mean with workable copies? But if you want to add something or wish to change something that is there you can post it. I think it is a good idea to proofread everything before adding it to the database.

Desi, here's the e-mule version of The Windhover by Hopkins:

The Windhover
by Gerard Manley Hopkins

To Christ our Lord
I caught this morning morning's minion, king{\-}
dom of daylight's dauphin, dapple-d{'a}wn-drawn Falcon, in his riding
Of the r{'o}lling level {'u}ndern{'e}ath him steady {'a}ir, |&|
str{'i}ding
High there, how he rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing
In his ecstasy! then off, off forth on swing,
As a skate's heel sweeps smooth on a bow-bend: the hurl |&| gliding
Rebuffed the big wind. My heart in hiding
Stirred for a bird, -- the achieve of, the mastery of the thing!

Brute beauty |&| valour |&| act, oh, air, pride, plume, here
Buckle! AND the fire that breaks from thee then, a billion
Times told lovelier, more dangerous, o my chevalier!
No w{'o}nder of it: sh{'e}er pl{'o}d makes pl{'o}ugh down s{'i}llion
Shine, |&| blue-bleak embers, ah my dear,
Fall, g{'a}ll thems{'e}lves, |&| g{'a}sh g{'o}ld-verm{'i}lion.

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Compare this version posted on The Wonderding Minstrels:


The Windhover

I caught this morning morning's minion, king-
   dom of daylight's dauphin, dapple-dawn-drawn Falcon, in his riding
   Of the rolling level underneath him steady air, and striding
High there, how he rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing
In his ecstasy! then off, off forth on swing,
  As a skate's heel sweeps smooth on a bow-bend: the hurl and gliding
   Rebuffed the big wind. My heart in hiding
Stirred for a bird, - the achieve of, the mastery of the thing!

Brute beauty and valour and act, oh, air, pride, plume, here
   Buckle! AND the fire that breaks from thee then, a billion
Times told lovelier, more dangerous, O my chevalier!

No wonder of it: sheer plod makes plough down sillion
Shine, and blue-bleak embers, ah my dear,
  Fall, gall themselves, and gash gold-vermilion.

-- Gerard Manley Hopkins

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There are many other examples I could post. But Hopkins' work is the most obvious example.


Les

I see what you mean. I suggested in the emule improvement section (you can go there via forum list) to proofread the whole database. We can start with Hopley if you like. I'm going to do so now with the new version of this poem, if you can do so too? (I want at least two people reading something before updating the database).

Done, seems ok, but what about the phrase "To christ ...". Should that be included, yes or no?



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"To Christ Our Lord"... Yes, it is a preface to the poem.


Les

[www.emule.co.uk]

better?

Maybe you (and others) can post any other poems for proofreading in a new thread.

Thanks, Desi, as I have time, I'll post more. Will you please check with Aaron and see if we can now legally post Langston Hughes' work. I believe it is now in the public domain.

Les

According to Hugh it's another twelve years...

[www.emule.co.uk]

Might even be more. I seem to remember (in come cases) USA copyright was first extended to 75 years, then to 95. Unlikely emule would suffer damages from such a violation but, in good conscience, we should honor their rights.

You're right. And you never know. Let's stick to non-copyrighted work. I'm sure there is a lot we can add.

For people still interested in helping out, I'm still waiting for some feedback. If you click on forum list, you see "emule".

I'm in the middle of a heat wave here, and computering seems to be the only thing I can manage without melting. And reading of course.

>Let's stick to non-copyrighted work

All right then, remove the Hughes introduction then, if we can't post his work here.


Les

I'll check with Aaron. Might be a good idea. It looks a bit silly this empty.

He agreed, so I deleted him.

bump, for Hugh. You'll notice Aaron's e-mule address above. These are the latest, May 2005 e-mule addresses that I had for Aaron and Rudy:

Rudy Lippan
[DELETED BY ADMIN]

Aaron Gilmer
Deleted by request of the moderator.

(send private messages on e-mule to "root")



Les




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Ok, msg sent to both, asking them to read the DG Phorum.

It's never a good idea to post email addresses open on a forum. Robots can pick them up and before you know it, you're up to your ears in spam. I think Aaron wouldn't mind you editing his either, even though his filter for this one is incredibly good. You actually need a password to get through :-)

Desi, how do you propose to have people log on to the website without contacting the administrators? That's all we're concerned about here.


Les

It's a general problem. They need to solve it once. There is no need for every individual to send them an email. They are already aware of the problem. We can send a reminder, but that's about it. We don't offer them any wages, so we can't force them to work, when they may have other matters on their mind, maybe more important than a website.

Desi, the first post concerning this problem was posted here more than two months ago. All Aaron needs to do in my opinion is state once:

>We are aware of the problem and we currently have no solution. We will provide one as soon as we can.


Les



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what Les said

Regarding wages, I'd like to send some money to support this site. There is an amazon link to make a donation by credit card. I'd prefer not to use a credit card or do a money transaction on line. If money is what will talk, I'd be more than happy to start a campaign to encourage donations. Do they have a business mailing address?

Marty

Rudy's address is listed on the 'about' page. It is the best place to send anything.

Rudy is close to graduating school so hopefully that'll help push him into the direction of improving the archive!

Best,

Aaron



--
Aaron Gilmer - Administrator
rgilmer@emule.com



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Thanks Aaron....found the address.

Marty

"graduating school"
hmm. How old is Rudy? For me school sounds like something you graduate from at the age of 17?
Anyway, good luck graduating Rudy!

I would like to volunteer - for purely selfish reasons. I will then be forced to read and think about poems other people choose. Otherwise you read peoms you yoursefl choose.
Problem is I have lost my earlier (regular, free, trustworthy, and fast) access to the internet. I lost my job - and not really because they found out i was reading poetry instead of working. Now I come to this cyber cafe when i can to spend extended hours on the net. The keys of the computer here keep getting rstuck. I am learning how to pound the keyboard.
If it is okay to be irregular I would like to be on board. (Although, I do not have access to print resources of western poetry this side of the globe.) I would like to be part of this though.

>"If you read any work and you find that it is full of ideas that make you think: if those ideas are conveyed in imagery or drama and above all - if the words are smooth and natural and sonorous, and as effortless as a drum beating in a distant forest- then you are probably reading great poetry." AB (Banjo) Paterson
Wow, wow, wow terrific!!!!!!!




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